1 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:09,680 so I'm I'm the senior director at the 2 00:00:15,159 --> 00:00:11,519 Sanyo le Institute and brain mind and 3 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:15,169 healing and consider myself a frontier 4 00:00:19,820 --> 00:00:17,250 science researcher I'm particularly 5 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:19,830 interested in frontier areas I have a 6 00:00:24,139 --> 00:00:21,689 very checkered background I do have a 7 00:00:26,089 --> 00:00:24,149 PhD it is from Georgetown University and 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:26,099 it's conventional in neuroscience I did 9 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:28,050 all that sort of stuff I also did a 10 00:00:34,010 --> 00:00:30,180 couple of companies and pushed the 11 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:34,020 boundaries in wastewater treatment using 12 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:35,820 constructed wetlands and that's because 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:39,030 I like the frontier so my major job at 14 00:00:43,510 --> 00:00:40,530 the Institute is to look at those 15 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:43,520 frontiers including homeopathy 16 00:00:48,050 --> 00:00:46,230 consciousness the placebo effect which I 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:48,060 like to think of as intrinsic healing 18 00:00:53,390 --> 00:00:51,930 processes spirituality mind body and 19 00:00:54,050 --> 00:00:53,400 some of those things have now become 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:54,060 mainstream 21 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:56,610 especially mind-body and I believe that 22 00:01:02,330 --> 00:00:58,500 all the rest of them are moving towards 23 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:02,340 mainstream as well however we continue 24 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:05,460 to do a couple of things in science and 25 00:01:09,859 --> 00:01:07,470 in particularly the frontier areas that 26 00:01:12,379 --> 00:01:09,869 are troubling one of them is that when 27 00:01:14,749 --> 00:01:12,389 we have a negative finding it's very 28 00:01:17,179 --> 00:01:14,759 hard to publish it and those are almost 29 00:01:18,889 --> 00:01:17,189 as valuable as the positive findings 30 00:01:21,949 --> 00:01:18,899 because there's usually knowledge in 31 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:21,959 there and if we don't publish it the 32 00:01:25,639 --> 00:01:24,060 next person that comes along wastes 33 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:25,649 their time and energy essentially 34 00:01:32,090 --> 00:01:28,590 repeating work that we could have saved 35 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:32,100 that time redesign the protocol and done 36 00:01:38,169 --> 00:01:36,240 a better job for the next test of it I'm 37 00:01:41,330 --> 00:01:38,179 going to end my talk with talking about 38 00:01:43,999 --> 00:01:41,340 the problem with reproducibility itself 39 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:44,009 so this is not unique to the frontier 40 00:01:50,809 --> 00:01:48,479 area but it haunts us as a community it 41 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:50,819 also on the flip side of that coin that 42 00:01:56,179 --> 00:01:52,770 haunts us is that when we're looking at 43 00:01:59,660 --> 00:01:56,189 anomalies the edges of science we're 44 00:02:03,339 --> 00:01:59,670 constantly coming up with findings that 45 00:02:06,379 --> 00:02:03,349 do not fit the conventional dogma do not 46 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:06,389 fit the conventional wisdom and those 47 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:08,310 are also difficult to publish and I 48 00:02:14,230 --> 00:02:11,459 think the two ideas are related so I'm 49 00:02:18,460 --> 00:02:14,240 going to spend a loast of my talk about 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:18,470 the work that I have done in my lab and 51 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:21,290 in collaborating labs so that we have a 52 00:02:26,350 --> 00:02:23,720 strong foundation and what I think are 53 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:26,360 the areas and so that we have something 54 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:28,910 concrete the areas of research that 55 00:02:34,210 --> 00:02:32,630 where these these edges are and so that 56 00:02:37,510 --> 00:02:34,220 we have something concrete to talk about 57 00:02:39,190 --> 00:02:37,520 I tend to run a little long so Bill's 58 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:39,200 going to chase me off the stage but if I 59 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:40,760 can time it right I mean try to leave 60 00:02:46,270 --> 00:02:43,610 enough time for discussion the point of 61 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:46,280 this talk is to begin a discussion and 62 00:02:51,850 --> 00:02:49,130 we will not and I hope we will not end 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:51,860 it with the 45 minutes that we have here 64 00:03:01,360 --> 00:02:59,470 so one of my favorite quotes from 65 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:01,370 William James the great philosopher and 66 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:03,170 I'm sure most of you have read him if 67 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:05,930 you haven't read them a man knew what he 68 00:03:12,940 --> 00:03:10,400 was talking about we'd never understand 69 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:12,950 going forward we only understand after 70 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:14,930 we've done it and look back how do you 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:15,830 know it's wrong 72 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:19,010 maybe it's just unorthodox and that's 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:23,300 what I think haunts this community this 74 00:03:29,590 --> 00:03:28,130 type of research it's unorthodox so one 75 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:29,600 of the things that we ought to all agree 76 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:32,540 upon is what makes for good science what 77 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:34,910 are the criteria for good science 78 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:37,400 because my my opening premise here is 79 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:39,950 that it not that it fit the conventional 80 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:41,390 wisdom but that it have these 81 00:03:46,060 --> 00:03:43,940 characteristics that there's some kind 82 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:46,070 of control group and if there isn't a 83 00:03:52,860 --> 00:03:49,670 control group we say it out loud I don't 84 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:52,870 have a good control group for X Y & Z 85 00:03:58,420 --> 00:03:55,490 that you use randomization whenever 86 00:04:00,370 --> 00:03:58,430 possible the whole discussions this 87 00:04:02,950 --> 00:04:00,380 morning about quantum mechanics bring 88 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:02,960 that to mind randomization is clearly a 89 00:04:08,050 --> 00:04:05,180 significant part of the universe and if 90 00:04:13,930 --> 00:04:08,060 we don't pay attention to it it it will 91 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:13,940 bite us baseline comparability do your 92 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:16,160 baselines do your baselines over and 93 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:18,230 over again so that you can see what the 94 00:04:22,780 --> 00:04:21,980 intrinsic variability is in the baseline 95 00:04:32,170 --> 00:04:22,790 in the 96 00:04:35,470 --> 00:04:32,180 variability and don't mistake that 97 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:35,480 variability for the phenomenon that 98 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:36,650 you're researching less that's the 99 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:38,210 variability unless that's the phenomenon 100 00:04:46,090 --> 00:04:41,150 you're researching report drop Data 101 00:04:47,950 --> 00:04:46,100 Report drop studies I was at a 102 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:47,960 conference that I put together about 103 00:04:55,090 --> 00:04:52,070 2000 to 2000 2001 in which we brought 104 00:04:57,310 --> 00:04:55,100 over some Chinese researchers and they 105 00:05:02,050 --> 00:04:57,320 claimed to have been able to train 106 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:02,060 individuals to do anomalous viewing to 107 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:04,130 see through closed boxes and see the 108 00:05:09,850 --> 00:05:06,250 hieroglyphics that are the Chinese 109 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:09,860 glyphs that were in there and they found 110 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:11,450 a set of twins who were particularly 111 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:13,010 gifted at it Dean Radin 112 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:16,460 says he has met them and books the real 113 00:05:22,930 --> 00:05:20,030 thing and and I certainly don't want to 114 00:05:25,330 --> 00:05:22,940 deny that reality but I was curious 115 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:25,340 about how many people had been trained 116 00:05:30,730 --> 00:05:27,800 how many were successful how difficult 117 00:05:33,070 --> 00:05:30,740 was this to do and the response was I 118 00:05:35,050 --> 00:05:33,080 don't know and I thought for sure we'd 119 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:35,060 lost something in translation because he 120 00:05:38,050 --> 00:05:36,380 was Chinese and speaking in Chinese 121 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:38,060 through a translator but it turned out 122 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:43,190 didn't care it's very important if this 123 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:45,050 is a true anomaly if this is a real 124 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:48,080 thing how common is it we really need to 125 00:05:56,530 --> 00:05:53,930 know that effective blinding often 126 00:05:59,350 --> 00:05:56,540 missed especially if you're convinced 127 00:06:01,870 --> 00:05:59,360 you have a real phenomenon you forget 128 00:06:03,610 --> 00:06:01,880 about the blinding real important 129 00:06:06,430 --> 00:06:03,620 especially if you want to convince the 130 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:06,440 skeptics make sure that when the 131 00:06:10,990 --> 00:06:08,420 experiment is actually being run than 132 00:06:13,180 --> 00:06:11,000 when the analysis being done that the 133 00:06:15,580 --> 00:06:13,190 people who are doing that are blinded to 134 00:06:16,990 --> 00:06:15,590 what's going on I'll come back I well I 135 00:06:19,750 --> 00:06:17,000 don't think I'll tell that story unless 136 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:19,760 I do run short but I have a great story 137 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:23,000 about firing two postdocs and lying to 138 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:24,530 one because I was sure they were not 139 00:06:28,750 --> 00:06:26,960 properly blinded the phenomenon was real 140 00:06:30,850 --> 00:06:28,760 but I couldn't believe it until I was 141 00:06:32,470 --> 00:06:30,860 absolutely convinced they were so 142 00:06:33,070 --> 00:06:32,480 blinded they actually thought they were 143 00:06:37,089 --> 00:06:33,080 doing and 144 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:37,099 karley different experiment be sure 145 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:38,240 you're measuring there out right 146 00:06:47,499 --> 00:06:42,710 outcomes statistics statistics is a 147 00:06:49,390 --> 00:06:47,509 relatively new new discipline I do not 148 00:06:51,909 --> 00:06:49,400 claim to be anything like an expert in 149 00:06:55,390 --> 00:06:51,919 it I always have a statistician on any 150 00:06:57,939 --> 00:06:55,400 research project I do it will also come 151 00:07:00,879 --> 00:06:57,949 back to bite you if you don't do the 152 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:00,889 right statistics and then finally the 153 00:07:06,820 --> 00:07:03,409 gold standard of science independent 154 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:06,830 replication and that's why we need to 155 00:07:13,059 --> 00:07:10,330 publish the failed studies as well 156 00:07:15,189 --> 00:07:13,069 because otherwise what are we actually 157 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:15,199 replicating what are we trying to 158 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:17,990 replicate and of course I think you've 159 00:07:21,070 --> 00:07:19,280 all seen this and I hope you're all 160 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:21,080 aware of it but I just want to make sure 161 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:23,930 we are on the same page these are the 162 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:25,580 gold standards and I'm talking mostly 163 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:27,529 about healing medicine and health 164 00:07:30,999 --> 00:07:29,690 because that's my my focus and specialty 165 00:07:33,189 --> 00:07:31,009 but it applies to anything else really 166 00:07:35,649 --> 00:07:33,199 the systematic reviews and randomly 167 00:07:36,820 --> 00:07:35,659 controlled trials there is and I'll talk 168 00:07:38,830 --> 00:07:36,830 a little bit about this there is a 169 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:38,840 problem with RCTs it's a significant 170 00:07:43,089 --> 00:07:40,520 problem and that is that it has nothing 171 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:43,099 to do with the bloody real world RCTs 172 00:07:46,749 --> 00:07:45,080 are a total artifact but they still 173 00:07:49,540 --> 00:07:46,759 remain the gold standard until somebody 174 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:49,550 comes up with a better one and then it 175 00:07:53,980 --> 00:07:52,490 here it is RCTs right there and then of 176 00:07:57,249 --> 00:07:53,990 course the ones that and this is the 177 00:07:58,659 --> 00:07:57,259 causal one so if you if you're talking 178 00:08:01,990 --> 00:07:58,669 in quantum mechanics where you have 179 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:02,000 where causality is weird then this 180 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:04,310 pyramid may not be right but in most 181 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:06,860 cases case series qualitative research 182 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:10,610 and anecdotes are not to be ignored but 183 00:08:18,820 --> 00:08:13,990 they are the lowest quality of research 184 00:08:20,829 --> 00:08:18,830 so benveniste jacque benveniste friend 185 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:20,839 of mine colleague of mine passed away a 186 00:08:27,850 --> 00:08:23,449 few years ago in a mishap in surgery 187 00:08:29,950 --> 00:08:27,860 very sad a brilliant man wrote perhaps 188 00:08:32,139 --> 00:08:29,960 that one of the most infamous papers in 189 00:08:33,790 --> 00:08:32,149 all of biological research if not of all 190 00:08:36,819 --> 00:08:33,800 of science was published in nature in 191 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:36,829 1988 there's nature now has an official 192 00:08:39,610 --> 00:08:38,240 policy they were never published 193 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:39,620 anything on homeopathy 194 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:42,770 again if you check out their blog you 195 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:44,600 will find that I'm on their blog they 196 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:48,170 blog against me and I paraphrase because 197 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:49,430 I'm on the stage and don't want to be 198 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:51,770 mistaken for quoting it but doctor I've 199 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:53,570 should have his funding removed for 200 00:09:00,540 --> 00:08:55,490 trying to legitimize the debunked field 201 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:00,550 of homeopathy benveniste 202 00:09:05,470 --> 00:09:03,310 she's a short track for the Nobel Prize 203 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:05,480 graduate student comes to a postdoc 204 00:09:09,420 --> 00:09:07,040 actually comes to him shows him a 205 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:09,430 homeopathic experiment benveniste 206 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:11,330 threatens to fire him if he doesn't go 207 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:12,529 back and do the work he was supposed to 208 00:09:16,990 --> 00:09:15,050 do guy goes and does it again brings him 209 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:17,000 back to benveniste shock says okay I'll 210 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:19,040 show you what you did wrong went and did 211 00:09:24,970 --> 00:09:21,440 the experiment himself and reproduced 212 00:09:28,269 --> 00:09:24,980 the effect basically that IgE at hide 213 00:09:30,130 --> 00:09:28,279 Aleutians D granulates mast cells now 214 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:30,140 mast cells are a problematic model and I 215 00:09:34,750 --> 00:09:32,120 won't get into that but you can sneeze 216 00:09:36,490 --> 00:09:34,760 at mast cells and not that's a pun of 217 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:36,500 course for those of you know biology and 218 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:40,210 they will degranulation unthe aleste 219 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:45,610 this work was published in Nature and a 220 00:09:52,150 --> 00:09:49,130 magician was was hired to go and debunk 221 00:09:54,579 --> 00:09:52,160 it which produced all the controversy 222 00:09:57,130 --> 00:09:54,589 around it by the way and five labs were 223 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:57,140 asked to replicate it and I would 224 00:10:00,820 --> 00:09:58,970 recommend that those of you who really 225 00:10:02,620 --> 00:10:00,830 want to look at science history go back 226 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:02,630 and look at the actual results from 227 00:10:07,420 --> 00:10:05,510 those five labs the claim was that those 228 00:10:10,180 --> 00:10:07,430 five labs were unable to replicated 229 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:10,190 which is not true two of them were able 230 00:10:14,140 --> 00:10:12,350 to replicate and nature even published 231 00:10:16,470 --> 00:10:14,150 the figures showing they replicated it 232 00:10:18,610 --> 00:10:16,480 and underneath the pictures it says 233 00:10:21,699 --> 00:10:18,620 failure to replicate it's the most 234 00:10:23,410 --> 00:10:21,709 bizarre example of you see what you 235 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:23,420 think you're going to see rather than 236 00:10:28,390 --> 00:10:26,330 what's actually there nonetheless they 237 00:10:32,290 --> 00:10:28,400 brought in this magician Randi the 238 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:32,300 magician well-known again I'm familiar 239 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:34,160 with them and by the way I'm a 240 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:35,690 card-carrying member of the skeptic 241 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:37,310 Society I'm a founder of the Washington 242 00:10:43,329 --> 00:10:39,800 DC skeptic Society there's nothing wrong 243 00:10:45,250 --> 00:10:43,339 with being a skeptic Randi on the other 244 00:10:46,990 --> 00:10:45,260 hand in my opinion went overboard he 245 00:10:49,180 --> 00:10:47,000 invalidated the claims I'll argue about 246 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:49,190 that developed this controversy and 247 00:10:55,630 --> 00:10:52,520 division to good replication attempts 248 00:10:59,200 --> 00:10:55,640 we're done as I say in the science in 249 00:11:01,090 --> 00:10:59,210 that in the nature controversy but the 250 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:01,100 bottom line was it's destroyed 251 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:02,810 homeopathic research in France 252 00:11:08,170 --> 00:11:05,870 it destroyed benveniste to get a Nobel 253 00:11:10,570 --> 00:11:08,180 Prize almost did his career in but he 254 00:11:14,890 --> 00:11:10,580 didn't care he loved controversy in 255 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:14,900 itself and he's since moved on well he 256 00:11:19,690 --> 00:11:17,750 has since moved on but at the time that 257 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:19,700 I that I was referring to here he was 258 00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:22,250 doing histamine and cd3 cells which was 259 00:11:30,010 --> 00:11:25,760 his specialty was an immunologist this 260 00:11:32,410 --> 00:11:30,020 is not his work this was done in 1991 so 261 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:32,420 we're talking a few years later st. 262 00:11:38,650 --> 00:11:34,730 lawdy at all and I but I love the figure 263 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:38,660 because it's so nice and regular and I 264 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:42,110 was sure this was crap and when Wayne 265 00:11:46,450 --> 00:11:43,610 Jonas and I started the Samuele 266 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:46,460 Institute back in 2001 I stuck up my 267 00:11:51,820 --> 00:11:49,850 hand and I said Wayne I will test 268 00:11:53,470 --> 00:11:51,830 homeopathy Wayne if you don't know Wayne 269 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:53,480 Jonas he's up he's a physician and 270 00:11:57,130 --> 00:11:55,490 practices homeopathy himself and I've 271 00:11:58,630 --> 00:11:57,140 known him for thirty years now and for 272 00:12:00,700 --> 00:11:58,640 the previous 20 years I've been teasing 273 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:00,710 the hell out of him about doing this 274 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:03,290 stupid idea of homeopathy he knew I was 275 00:12:06,610 --> 00:12:04,970 prejudiced but I am in the end a good 276 00:12:08,890 --> 00:12:06,620 scientist and I said I want your 277 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:08,900 handshake that I'll go wherever the data 278 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:10,910 was and he looked at me and he got a big 279 00:12:18,490 --> 00:12:14,510 grin on his face and he said deal the 280 00:12:20,350 --> 00:12:18,500 debt the data led me to this I I believe 281 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:20,360 I have figured out how it works it's 282 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:22,040 called the silica hypothesis it's why 283 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:24,380 nature has a blog against me but this is 284 00:12:30,130 --> 00:12:28,250 an amazing phenomenon and highly 285 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:30,140 reproducible it turns out there are at 286 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:31,760 this point I believe twelve good 287 00:12:37,930 --> 00:12:34,010 publications reproducing benveniste 288 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:37,940 Ridge '''l work I don't want to talk too 289 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:39,680 much about his work I want to talk about 290 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:41,810 something else really which is how do 291 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:45,890 you test something like this and what do 292 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:47,330 you do with the results when they come 293 00:12:52,690 --> 00:12:50,810 up so he made he benveniste and spent 294 00:12:54,370 --> 00:12:52,700 the rest of his career trying to figure 295 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:54,380 out the mechanism because mechanism is 296 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:57,290 the magic bullet for basic science and 297 00:13:00,700 --> 00:12:58,850 probably all of science but certainly 298 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:00,710 for basic science and certainly in 299 00:13:05,259 --> 00:13:02,089 biomedical work 300 00:13:06,999 --> 00:13:05,269 and and so most of the criticism was the 301 00:13:09,489 --> 00:13:07,009 fact that had been done by hand and he's 302 00:13:11,259 --> 00:13:09,499 working with very small quantities so he 303 00:13:12,670 --> 00:13:11,269 developed a robotic device and I'll show 304 00:13:16,090 --> 00:13:12,680 you a picture I bought one I still own 305 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:16,100 it I don't own it the Institute does and 306 00:13:21,429 --> 00:13:17,569 he eventually came up with the idea that 307 00:13:25,239 --> 00:13:21,439 it was electromagnetic in nature he was 308 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:25,249 wrong but that's another story so he 309 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:27,170 decided he could digitize it we're 310 00:13:33,460 --> 00:13:31,370 talking 1990s 2000 and delivered the 311 00:13:34,929 --> 00:13:33,470 digitized sound and reproduced the fact 312 00:13:36,970 --> 00:13:34,939 he convinced the Congress of the United 313 00:13:41,710 --> 00:13:36,980 States that this was real and that he 314 00:13:43,929 --> 00:13:41,720 could transmit medical cures medical 315 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:43,939 drugs over the Internet 316 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:46,069 reconstitute them in water and nobody 317 00:13:49,299 --> 00:13:48,410 could turn away from that idea DARPA 318 00:13:52,179 --> 00:13:49,309 picked it up 319 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:52,189 DARPA asked us to test this and of 320 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:54,110 course DARPA is a very dark place in 321 00:13:58,179 --> 00:13:56,689 many respects and so they when everybody 322 00:13:59,679 --> 00:13:58,189 else is thinking drugs for helping 323 00:14:02,730 --> 00:13:59,689 people I'm sure DARPA had something else 324 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:02,740 in mind but they wanted to test this and 325 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:06,920 they asked me to run the study processes 326 00:14:11,769 --> 00:14:10,100 automated and even benveniste was 327 00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:11,779 beginning to wonder about operator 328 00:14:19,150 --> 00:14:17,809 effects so this is the team and some of 329 00:14:21,489 --> 00:14:19,160 you know these folks this is Jacques 330 00:14:23,470 --> 00:14:21,499 himself right there this guy's name is 331 00:14:26,499 --> 00:14:23,480 Jamal that's me in a younger age that's 332 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:26,509 Wayne Jonas also a younger age this is a 333 00:14:32,169 --> 00:14:30,529 sociologist this is the statistician 334 00:14:33,939 --> 00:14:32,179 from the University of Maryland chair of 335 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:33,949 the department and the senior member of 336 00:14:37,449 --> 00:14:35,929 the skeptic Society of Washington DC and 337 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:37,459 I'll come back to why that's important 338 00:14:42,129 --> 00:14:40,490 this is DDA he's the engineer that 339 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:42,139 worked in Jacque steam to build the 340 00:14:48,579 --> 00:14:44,990 robot this is the man I want you to 341 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:48,589 remember Jamal this is the replay system 342 00:14:52,509 --> 00:14:50,569 and I won't spend a lot of time on it 343 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:52,519 except that it's extremely simple they 344 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:53,980 used up 345 00:14:58,830 --> 00:14:57,010 a laptop computer and the sound card of 346 00:15:02,400 --> 00:14:58,840 a laptop computer and anybody who's an 347 00:15:03,510 --> 00:15:02,410 engineer realizes that in 1998 which is 348 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:03,520 when this computer was put together 349 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:04,990 those sound cards are not very high 350 00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:05,710 resolution 351 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:08,320 he runs them through an amplifier or we 352 00:15:11,730 --> 00:15:09,910 and I actually did this ran them through 353 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:11,740 an amplifier and run them through a coil 354 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:13,720 and you just test it in fact you're 355 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:16,930 doing it you put water in there with 356 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:18,370 calcium by the way it turns out that's 357 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:20,290 important and remember my hypothesis for 358 00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:21,910 how homeopathy works called the calcium 359 00:15:27,330 --> 00:15:25,420 hype the silica hypothesis it's related 360 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:27,340 to this calcium phenomenon and that he 361 00:15:31,290 --> 00:15:29,190 could reconstitute the signal in there 362 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:31,300 okay that's what the thing actually 363 00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:34,120 physically looks like that it's a the 364 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:35,920 robot is out of screen but I'll show you 365 00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:39,010 in just a moment this is the the 366 00:15:42,390 --> 00:15:40,960 reagents are put in here it's all mixed 367 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:42,400 together here and it's all automated in 368 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:46,450 the rope whoops the robot is really good 369 00:15:51,570 --> 00:15:48,700 at doing this and doing it reproducibly 370 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,580 so he got rid of that that drift and 371 00:15:56,010 --> 00:15:53,440 that that an error phenomenon that 372 00:15:58,110 --> 00:15:56,020 happens when people do it these are the 373 00:16:00,120 --> 00:15:58,120 results because in some respects the 374 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:00,130 results are less important than than the 375 00:16:02,910 --> 00:16:02,170 underlying phenomenon here this is the 376 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:02,920 control 377 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:05,260 it's a thrombin fibrinogen coagulation 378 00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:06,790 rates basically it's coagulation of 379 00:16:09,270 --> 00:16:08,440 blood where you only take two components 380 00:16:14,730 --> 00:16:09,280 so you don't have to worry about 381 00:16:16,890 --> 00:16:14,740 individualization and I believe Julia B 382 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:16,900 shell will be speaking later today or is 383 00:16:22,950 --> 00:16:19,390 it yeah this afternoon on hematological 384 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:22,960 correlates with parapsychology there's 385 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:24,370 something very interesting about human 386 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:27,430 blood and parapsychology and I don't 387 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:29,170 have time in this lecture but but listen 388 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:31,120 to her lecture because I suspect it's 389 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:32,470 gonna be very interesting any rate this 390 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:34,000 is the synthetic version of it just the 391 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:37,960 two components this one is the the 392 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:40,090 coagulation is slowed oh no sound 393 00:16:43,650 --> 00:16:42,250 reproducible it is basically if you just 394 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:43,660 run this thing on one piece of paper you 395 00:16:45,930 --> 00:16:44,860 cut a hole through the paper it just 396 00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:45,940 keeps doing the same thing over and over 397 00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:52,120 again and less whoops unless you run the 398 00:17:01,380 --> 00:16:57,310 experiment with Jamal I see vice is a-- 399 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:01,390 in the lab when he runs the experiment 400 00:17:04,830 --> 00:17:03,910 and if you recognize that name and 401 00:17:06,429 --> 00:17:04,840 you've been paying attention to 402 00:17:08,829 --> 00:17:06,439 homeopathy because he's back on this 403 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:08,839 again with another Nobel laureate where 404 00:17:13,569 --> 00:17:10,490 they Nobel laureate I guess Jacque never 405 00:17:15,009 --> 00:17:13,579 got his guy named Monty err who's gotten 406 00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:15,019 into homeopathy again he's working with 407 00:17:23,679 --> 00:17:18,110 Jamal again so every time Jamal ran the 408 00:17:26,529 --> 00:17:23,689 experiment the bloody thing worked this 409 00:17:30,129 --> 00:17:26,539 is me running the experiment with water 410 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,139 time sorry and you'll notice again it's 411 00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:32,000 pretty much on top of it and this is 412 00:17:37,779 --> 00:17:35,720 essentially changing the a synthetic 413 00:17:39,909 --> 00:17:37,789 inhibitor just to show that in fact the 414 00:17:41,470 --> 00:17:39,919 robot works so in chemistry works the 415 00:17:43,690 --> 00:17:41,480 way it should there are no surprises 416 00:17:45,610 --> 00:17:43,700 here this is optical density on this so 417 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:45,620 as it coagulates the optical density 418 00:17:49,570 --> 00:17:47,870 goes up it goes up asymptotically 419 00:17:52,389 --> 00:17:49,580 eventually it essentially turns into a 420 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:52,399 solid block right this is the 421 00:17:57,879 --> 00:17:55,490 interesting one right here and he could 422 00:18:00,190 --> 00:17:57,889 do this every time and this is not a 423 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:00,200 trivial difference right chemistry is 424 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:03,470 very reliable it works the same each 425 00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:03,710 time 426 00:18:07,450 --> 00:18:06,559 so here's Jamal here's the robot Jamal 427 00:18:09,610 --> 00:18:07,460 is a happy guy 428 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:09,620 we're in a secured military lab by the 429 00:18:13,930 --> 00:18:11,600 way I have total control over this 430 00:18:15,879 --> 00:18:13,940 environment I have absolute control over 431 00:18:18,909 --> 00:18:15,889 this environment I have control over the 432 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:18,919 people that are there and in fact one of 433 00:18:22,450 --> 00:18:20,570 the arrangements we went with we made 434 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:22,460 with Jacques and his team is they could 435 00:18:25,749 --> 00:18:23,929 not and they signed the document they 436 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:25,759 could not be within 200 yards of the 437 00:18:28,810 --> 00:18:26,990 experiment when it was actually running 438 00:18:29,919 --> 00:18:28,820 now it turns out he lives in France so 439 00:18:30,690 --> 00:18:29,929 that wasn't a problem he just went back 440 00:18:33,249 --> 00:18:30,700 to France 441 00:18:34,869 --> 00:18:33,259 Jamal sets it up I took this picture and 442 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,879 thing works I'm going great I study 443 00:18:36,999 --> 00:18:36,559 under him for a while I got it I got it 444 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:37,009 down 445 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:39,529 Jamal by the way has two PhDs one in 446 00:18:46,149 --> 00:18:44,450 pharmacology and one chemistry and Benny 447 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:46,159 then they go back to France and then I 448 00:18:51,009 --> 00:18:47,750 do the experiment that damn thing 449 00:18:52,749 --> 00:18:51,019 doesn't work oh well I'm learning I'm 450 00:18:54,850 --> 00:18:52,759 using DARPA money so I go ahead and I 451 00:18:56,379 --> 00:18:54,860 fly them back again and they come into 452 00:18:57,789 --> 00:18:56,389 the lab they watch me doing they say I 453 00:19:01,600 --> 00:18:57,799 don't know what you're doing wrong John 454 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:01,610 and Jamal says well let me run it works 455 00:19:06,909 --> 00:19:04,370 again stays there for two days 456 00:19:08,769 --> 00:19:06,919 works fine and during that time I got to 457 00:19:10,330 --> 00:19:08,779 know him we he smoked cigarettes a lot 458 00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:10,340 of milk not allowed to smoke at Walter 459 00:19:14,019 --> 00:19:12,200 Reed which is where this was so we'd go 460 00:19:16,540 --> 00:19:14,029 outside and I got to talking with him he 461 00:19:19,780 --> 00:19:16,550 speaks French Spanish Italian 462 00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:19,790 the Egyptian whatever the 20 languages I 463 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:22,280 speak English so we had a we had a slow 464 00:19:31,930 --> 00:19:24,170 but but growing friendship and 465 00:19:34,660 --> 00:19:31,940 conversation so turns out that Jamal so 466 00:19:37,930 --> 00:19:34,670 Jamal why do you have two PhDs oh I 467 00:19:44,020 --> 00:19:37,940 don't like telling people this but I'm 468 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:44,030 the firstborn tenth generation male for 469 00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:48,770 the energy healers in my community I'll 470 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:51,620 go really the other thing I noticed that 471 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:53,510 he's smoking a cigarette so I actually 472 00:19:57,010 --> 00:19:55,250 think maybe cigarettes are doing this I 473 00:20:01,420 --> 00:19:57,020 tried I actually light a cigarette in 474 00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:01,430 there try that doesn't do it so I'm 475 00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:03,950 thinking this is interesting and Jamal 476 00:20:07,570 --> 00:20:06,080 thinks this is unimpressive and I said 477 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:07,580 well how did you get the homeopathy and 478 00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:09,110 he said well I was studying with under 479 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:11,180 shock for a while and I got my second 480 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:12,590 PhD and I he got interested in 481 00:20:16,510 --> 00:20:13,850 homeopathy I said I followed along with 482 00:20:17,710 --> 00:20:16,520 it and I said well how does it work 483 00:20:19,030 --> 00:20:17,720 whatever you're around he said I don't 484 00:20:20,890 --> 00:20:19,040 know he said the only thing we have been 485 00:20:23,260 --> 00:20:20,900 able to find his people who can 486 00:20:25,540 --> 00:20:23,270 interfere with the process so this woman 487 00:20:30,790 --> 00:20:25,550 is a Korean woman who'd come to Jacques 488 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:30,800 wanted to do homeopathy and she if she 489 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:33,050 was within six feet of the experiment it 490 00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:34,130 wouldn't work 491 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:41,150 and they noted this so they these right 492 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:43,610 there are made out of mule metal they 493 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:45,890 discovered that if the if they made the 494 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:47,690 containers out of new metal it would 495 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:48,590 even block 496 00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,410 Suz effect so I call up Jacques and I 497 00:20:59,950 --> 00:20:56,960 say I think you're right 498 00:21:02,980 --> 00:20:59,960 I think the person is involved here and 499 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:02,990 he said ah you know John I thought that 500 00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:05,390 because I because we're looking Fridays 501 00:21:08,770 --> 00:21:06,230 I don't think so anymore 502 00:21:11,620 --> 00:21:08,780 and I learned from Jamal from these 503 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:11,630 cigarette excursions we had done that 504 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:14,300 his wife was getting her CPA and she'd 505 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:16,310 gone to Spain to do this and she'd been 506 00:21:20,350 --> 00:21:18,110 gone for two years and he basically been 507 00:21:22,750 --> 00:21:20,360 living in the lab and I said how close 508 00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:22,760 is Jamal to the machine because they we 509 00:21:24,790 --> 00:21:24,200 bought one and put it in Walter Reed and 510 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:24,800 they kept 511 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:26,450 one of their own there they're very 512 00:21:32,050 --> 00:21:30,320 expensive $45,000 and he said oh it sits 513 00:21:33,970 --> 00:21:32,060 on his desk and I said send him on a 514 00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:33,980 vacation and he said he won't go and I 515 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:36,680 said I don't care override him five days 516 00:21:42,550 --> 00:21:39,490 later Jacques calls me up go sacre bleu 517 00:21:45,790 --> 00:21:42,560 the damn thing stopped working I said 518 00:21:49,450 --> 00:21:45,800 yeah you have built yourself a bioenergy 519 00:21:51,970 --> 00:21:49,460 tester unfortunately shortly thereafter 520 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:51,980 he died as I say and people have 521 00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:54,170 forgotten this paper because we said 522 00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,320 this we called it the Jamaal effect it's 523 00:22:01,360 --> 00:21:59,840 actually in our paper we don't get to 524 00:22:02,620 --> 00:22:01,370 overboard about it cuz I don't didn't 525 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:02,630 know what to do with it I didn't I 526 00:22:06,550 --> 00:22:04,130 wanted to get publishing fascism so I 527 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:06,560 didn't want to get too crazy but we 528 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:07,820 started worrying that you know our 529 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:09,740 statistician started worrying about it 530 00:22:13,210 --> 00:22:11,990 and by the way statistician was insane 531 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:13,220 because remember he's a member of the 532 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:15,410 skeptic Society trained by Randy the 533 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:17,330 magician as a magician in addition to 534 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:19,610 being a statistician and I said well I'm 535 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,130 sure Jamal did not do any trickery and 536 00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:24,320 he said I guarantee you Jon you put me 537 00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:26,240 in that room I'll do it right in front 538 00:22:30,490 --> 00:22:29,030 of you you'll never even see it so one 539 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:30,500 of the things that we realized we needed 540 00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,610 to do was we should have video to 541 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:33,200 videotape it but we didn't make the 542 00:22:38,410 --> 00:22:34,610 premise that we were looking for fraud 543 00:22:41,670 --> 00:22:38,420 we were testing the ability our ability 544 00:22:48,060 --> 00:22:41,680 to replicate jacque's claim that's it 545 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:48,070 clear concise and thought out that way 546 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:51,830 so one of the things that we learned was 547 00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:54,830 that the team that you put together is 548 00:23:00,550 --> 00:22:57,190 extremely important you want a 549 00:23:04,270 --> 00:23:00,560 multidisciplinary team a team that 550 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:04,280 consists of a statistician a skeptic if 551 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:07,070 at all possible somebody who is not 552 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:10,610 gonna sabotage the experiment but 553 00:23:15,730 --> 00:23:12,050 somebody that comes in with I don't 554 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:15,740 believe this somebody from Missouri show 555 00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:18,770 me right you want somebody on that team 556 00:23:21,970 --> 00:23:20,120 now in our case the statistician and 557 00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:21,980 that person were the same one we also 558 00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:25,100 had a social psychologist it's one of 559 00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:26,390 the best it turns out he's world-famous 560 00:23:29,530 --> 00:23:27,710 and I don't want to bring him up because 561 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:29,540 he's actually doing ID of people from 562 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:29,930 there 563 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,770 he's a profiler right so his job his one 564 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:36,080 job was to take contemporaneous notes 565 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:38,010 every time we met 566 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,960 as a team either was Jacques there or 567 00:23:43,550 --> 00:23:42,240 not there take contemporaneous notes you 568 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:43,560 would type them up that night he would 569 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:45,570 send him out by email and we would sign 570 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:47,220 virtually or sign physically and we'd 571 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:49,890 turn it back to him within 48 hours very 572 00:23:55,670 --> 00:23:52,890 very important because when you go 573 00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:55,680 through this anybody who believes in the 574 00:24:01,280 --> 00:23:57,750 work they've done and who doesn't right 575 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,290 and you're testing them they will start 576 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:03,600 it's up it's a human phenomenon 577 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:06,720 you will start wiggling out you will 578 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:09,330 start the wiggle in a way to indicate 579 00:24:13,870 --> 00:24:12,600 that you the tester have done something 580 00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:13,880 that's not right 581 00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:16,680 so as it became clear we could not 582 00:24:19,910 --> 00:24:18,390 replicate this without and by the way 583 00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:19,920 they came back twice and every time 584 00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:21,180 Jamal was in the room it worked and 585 00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:22,680 every time he wasn't it didn't and I 586 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:24,540 brought in certified buyer energy 587 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:26,010 healers and I'm gonna show you in one of 588 00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:27,360 those experiments 589 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:29,280 I had Wayne do it I did it none of us 590 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:31,050 could make it happen had to be Jamal for 591 00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:32,310 some reasons I think he was entangled 592 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:35,160 and maybe in the quantum sense with the 593 00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:36,750 machine but he was certainly entangled 594 00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:39,390 with the experiment and was he 595 00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:41,280 committing fraud it's certainly possible 596 00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:42,780 because I didn't test it but I don't 597 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,830 think so but more importantly Jacque was 598 00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:48,780 very unhappy with this outcome he'd 599 00:24:54,290 --> 00:24:50,940 started a company digi bio which is 600 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:54,300 still alive by the way and he did not 601 00:24:59,240 --> 00:24:56,370 like the way this was going so his 602 00:25:01,820 --> 00:24:59,250 memory of the meetings started to shift 603 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:01,830 and so the sociologists would bring out 604 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:04,250 the notes that Jacque had signed 605 00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:06,510 contemporaneously and Schalk would go 606 00:25:11,150 --> 00:25:09,990 I'll be I remembered that conversation 607 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:11,160 differently but you're right that's my 608 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,050 signature now that I've seen the written 609 00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,840 document I recall doing that and so this 610 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:18,000 turned out to be a good study published 611 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:21,660 in fab we gave it to DARPA DARPA who I 612 00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:23,250 thought was gonna laugh us out of the 613 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:25,920 room said yeah we've seen this before 614 00:25:30,980 --> 00:25:29,250 I go say what and you go oh yeah yeah we 615 00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:30,990 know about 12 men and women around the 616 00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:32,100 world that can do this kind of thing 617 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:36,150 what I why didn't you tell me this all 618 00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:38,550 because it's of no interest what how can 619 00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:41,160 this not be of interest well it seems to 620 00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:44,070 be unique it's only found in special 621 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:47,400 people and I'm like so and they look at 622 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:48,630 me and they go do you know how it works 623 00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:50,250 I said no but 624 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:52,620 me the money and I'll figure it out no 625 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,410 not interested we're only interested and 626 00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:57,360 if you know how to train somebody to do 627 00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:59,010 it then we're really paying attention or 628 00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:01,260 better yet you know how to put it into 629 00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:03,150 some sort of device or machine DARPA 630 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,950 loves machines so Bill's going to talk 631 00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:07,440 about trying to get the healer out of 632 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:10,350 the healing and I'm sorry I'm angle diz 633 00:26:15,260 --> 00:26:13,710 his title but unfortunately I have to 634 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,270 I've got other commitments so I won't be 635 00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:18,240 able to hear it but again DARPA was only 636 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:20,820 interest in that and they didn't laugh 637 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:22,800 at us at all they had no problem with it 638 00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,060 they were disappointed because they 639 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:27,120 thought they had something else and when 640 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:28,680 it turned out it was what we call the 641 00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:33,510 jamal effect the least bit surprised we 642 00:26:39,070 --> 00:26:35,160 did this in a secured room by the way I 643 00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,080 mean they very serious guys okay 644 00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:42,480 bioenergy what the hell is bioenergy 645 00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:45,960 this is bioenergy right so bioenergy in 646 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:47,430 this case I mean something that where 647 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:48,810 you don't physically touch it and you 648 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:51,000 cause a phenomenon as a guy named Mia 649 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:54,330 Tech variks wir que us he's world famous 650 00:27:00,260 --> 00:26:58,260 BBC and BR he's had a practice here in 651 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:00,270 Rockville I think he's retired now good 652 00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:04,440 friend I know him very well very 653 00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:06,180 interesting guy and I've got stories 654 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:07,740 that were they're really kind of 655 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:10,710 interesting and again I'm being told by 656 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:13,530 my boss Wayne Jonas that this man can 657 00:27:19,390 --> 00:27:18,210 heal people just by generating bio 658 00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:19,400 injury oh come on 659 00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:21,660 well let's put him in a laboratory John 660 00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:23,100 you're you're claiming to be this good 661 00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:25,230 scientist I said yeah I'll take this guy 662 00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,540 apart we'll put him in the lab and we 663 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:29,520 will have him do his thing 664 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:32,730 to jerkhead cells these are jerk cat 665 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:34,370 cells sitting in here in a cuvette and 666 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:38,510 it's loaded with fear fluo 3 which is a 667 00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,640 calcium ion of not an iota for calcium 668 00:27:48,170 --> 00:27:44,220 fluorescent it it lights up when there's 669 00:27:49,790 --> 00:27:48,180 free calcium and I I asked me attack can 670 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:49,800 he work with these cells and can he 671 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:51,570 increase their calcium flux and he said 672 00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:53,610 ok let me go talk to them 673 00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:56,700 right and he goes and he puts his hands 674 00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:57,670 around the dish and 675 00:28:01,710 --> 00:27:59,290 talks with him and he says sure I can do 676 00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:01,720 this I'm going on great this is gonna be 677 00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:02,980 great by the way I bring in the same 678 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:04,840 team again and the psychologist looking 679 00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:07,570 at me going John no you're setting the 680 00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:09,580 wrong tone I'm going okay and he said 681 00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:11,140 okay I've talked to them I can work with 682 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:13,720 and he said now explain calcium to me so 683 00:28:17,310 --> 00:28:15,850 we do a crash course and in cell biology 684 00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,320 and he said okay what do you mean by 685 00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:19,120 free calcium so I explained cyclic AMP 686 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:21,160 II explained calcium stores I explained 687 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:22,450 calcium anaphors about an hour and a 688 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:24,250 half later says okay I got it I'm going 689 00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:31,620 two years every Wednesday except when it 690 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:33,160 hit a crisp Christmas in the Easter he's 691 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:36,310 Catholic or and once when he was sick 692 00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:38,650 and once when his dogs got sick every 693 00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,030 Wednesday morning he came in at ten 694 00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:42,480 o'clock and worked until twelve o'clock 695 00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:47,020 every time he put his hand around jerk 696 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:49,750 pet cells 15 minutes baseline before he 697 00:28:53,180 --> 00:28:50,260 shows up 698 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,190 there's the baseline 15 minutes 699 00:28:57,780 --> 00:28:56,080 bioenergy treatment we followed by sham 700 00:29:05,480 --> 00:28:57,790 with Noah and we did sham no treatment 701 00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:05,490 controls and every time he produced this 702 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:09,160 15 to 25 percent change in calcium every 703 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:12,100 time every Wednesday for two years 704 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:16,810 again military lab I really am getting 705 00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:18,130 ready to pull my fingernails out I mean 706 00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:20,260 how can this be this is this is totally 707 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:22,540 weird to me but I am convinced this is 708 00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:24,610 real because it's reproducible at least 709 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:26,440 in my lab and other people have claimed 710 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:29,770 this and we actually did it with heat 711 00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:31,480 shock protein because I got interested 712 00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,320 in underlying mechanism so we asked him 713 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:38,320 to we asked him to block heat shock 714 00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:41,650 protein which he effectively did and you 715 00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:43,180 know basically once he understood the 716 00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:46,030 cells and after he'd talked with him he 717 00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:47,200 can do almost anything I wanted him to 718 00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:48,400 do with him it was the most 719 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:50,260 extraordinary thing I had ever seen 720 00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:53,380 and I said so how do you do this and so 721 00:30:01,170 --> 00:29:58,720 he goes well I passed God's love through 722 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:01,180 my heart chakra and I'm going boy how am 723 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:03,190 I going to test that 724 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,730 and so I say well you know about Jesus 725 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:09,520 Christ article of course and I said well 726 00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:11,410 you know Jesus is said to have done some 727 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:13,240 of those things what what do you do 728 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:15,550 that's related to that he said oh Jesus 729 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,210 was like this 730 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:18,640 I of course burst out laughing right he 731 00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:20,170 was literally doing that and I don't 732 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:22,060 think he meant to do quite that but I 733 00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:23,620 burst out laughing and he sort of looks 734 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:24,790 at me and he said but what I do is just 735 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:27,460 like this and they said thinking I got a 736 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:28,930 joke or a little bit of laughing I said 737 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:30,550 - have you ever tried to change water 738 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:37,930 into wine he goes yes it just smells 739 00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:45,440 so this this man I don't think he has a 740 00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:48,420 clue how he does it he also claimed that 741 00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:51,000 he could do it anywhere anytime the time 742 00:30:57,290 --> 00:30:54,060 and space were irrelevant and I do have 743 00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:57,300 a problem with that because it turns out 744 00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:01,320 in my lab under these conditions his 745 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,700 hands that affect his hands have to be 746 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:07,440 within 18 inches of the cuvette with the 747 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:09,810 cells if his hands were behind his back 748 00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:13,290 the effect went away if he was more than 749 00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:16,800 9 feet from the cells the effect went 750 00:31:23,030 --> 00:31:19,500 away and obeyed and earned verse square 751 00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:23,040 law his hands are emitting something 752 00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:25,230 those are the almost perfect criteria 753 00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:27,750 for some emission I have since I think 754 00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:29,430 figured out how but I haven't done the 755 00:31:31,910 --> 00:31:31,080 experiments I did the obvious one 756 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:31,920 because everybody said it was 757 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:33,630 electromagnetic radiation while I'm a 758 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:35,610 neurophysiologist so I built a Faraday 759 00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:38,250 cage and it only partially have impacted 760 00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:40,230 it but he claimed he could do it 761 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,420 anywhere anytime and I said from your 762 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:44,880 home and he said of course so I said ok 763 00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:46,650 next Wednesday don't come in 10 o'clock 764 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:50,160 start the experiment nothing he so he 765 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:51,330 calls me up an hour and said so how'd it 766 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:52,830 work it didn't work and he said I don't 767 00:31:56,030 --> 00:31:54,120 have good communication with him I'm 768 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:56,040 going right and I said how do you need 769 00:31:59,060 --> 00:31:57,510 that he said send me a digital picture I 770 00:32:00,290 --> 00:31:59,070 sent him a digital picture we run the 771 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:00,300 experiment again this experiment ran 772 00:32:05,150 --> 00:32:01,320 till about 4:00 in the afternoon because 773 00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:05,160 it never worked so he said that didn't 774 00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:07,280 work so he needed a live video feed and 775 00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:09,960 none of that worked I am absolutely 776 00:32:14,030 --> 00:32:12,360 convinced this man's the real thing I'm 777 00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,040 absolutely convinced these things really 778 00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:17,100 happen Jamal was one neotec was one by 779 00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,750 the way both of them were born with it 780 00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:20,580 the other phenomenon that probably many 781 00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:22,230 of you know is that some sort of 782 00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:24,030 near-death experience can sometimes 783 00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:26,790 bring this on but the attack was 784 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:28,470 identified when he was about 6 years old 785 00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:30,090 I don't want to digress to that story 786 00:32:37,910 --> 00:32:36,390 and Jamal as I told you first born tenth 787 00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:37,920 generation healer right 788 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:40,200 he had the force with him he's clearly a 789 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:44,490 Jedi and so those guys were born with it 790 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,490 and they're super powerful I actually 791 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:49,380 can if you're interested I could talk a 792 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:50,850 little bit about what I think is going 793 00:32:55,899 --> 00:32:53,450 on but at the time I didn't know 794 00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:55,909 and as we all know we suffer from 795 00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,710 funding in time you got you only have so 796 00:33:02,139 --> 00:32:59,120 much time I spent two years on this I 797 00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:02,149 spent all my NIH money and we published 798 00:33:06,909 --> 00:33:03,590 it and I'd haven't had a chance to go 799 00:33:08,409 --> 00:33:06,919 back and test my current theory on how 800 00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:08,419 it works although I will tell you what 801 00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:10,460 it is and I'll show you some data in 802 00:33:12,970 --> 00:33:11,720 regard to that and somebody else is 803 00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:12,980 talking about this very subject 804 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:18,440 biophotons a little later so so this one 805 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:20,450 is a little story I love I tell this 806 00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:22,850 story to my graduate students in medical 807 00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,919 school at Georgetown they only do one at 808 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:29,600 a time okay you're gonna have to do a 809 00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:32,090 visual memory so remember this side and 810 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:33,950 I want you to look at the light the 811 00:33:38,889 --> 00:33:35,809 cells and how they're lighting up this 812 00:33:40,509 --> 00:33:38,899 is the fuehrer fluo 3 it's sensitive to 813 00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:40,519 calcium concentration more calcium 814 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:43,100 brighter lights right so every one of 815 00:33:47,049 --> 00:33:45,110 these cells I've got a calcium free and 816 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:47,059 every one of them that pops is to just 817 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:49,010 suddenly release calcium okay if you go 818 00:33:54,009 --> 00:33:50,210 back and do the other one work for me 819 00:33:56,379 --> 00:33:54,019 thank you yeah whoops now you get them 820 00:33:59,620 --> 00:33:56,389 both going okay perfect so you get a 821 00:34:02,049 --> 00:33:59,630 real-time comparison 20 seconds laser 822 00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:02,059 interference microscopy military lab 823 00:34:05,769 --> 00:34:03,830 best laser interference might think you 824 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:05,779 work best laser interference microscope 825 00:34:14,290 --> 00:34:07,850 you can buy it's got its own software to 826 00:34:16,809 --> 00:34:14,300 analyze what's going on and on and I 827 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:16,819 want you to memorize or remember what 828 00:34:20,829 --> 00:34:18,500 you saw and see if you see any 829 00:34:21,849 --> 00:34:20,839 difference between them you guys see a 830 00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:21,859 difference between the left and the 831 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:25,760 right come on don't be afraid somebody 832 00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:28,609 say yes or no yeah 833 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:30,679 the one on the left has fewer cells 834 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:33,050 lighting up I'd never have published 835 00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:35,089 this because I didn't replicate it and 836 00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:36,980 because there's some problems with this 837 00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,359 system bla bla bla bla but the one on 838 00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:43,280 the left is before me a techie entered 839 00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,240 the room same cells same dish same 840 00:34:50,589 --> 00:34:48,560 situation I was just setting it up I was 841 00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:50,599 just doing the baseline this is 60 842 00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:52,040 seconds after he enters the cell enters 843 00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:55,030 the room all he's done is enter the room 844 00:35:01,089 --> 00:34:57,800 and I'm running it because I was running 845 00:35:02,829 --> 00:35:01,099 this my baseline and he walked in 60 846 00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,839 seconds after he's in there these things 847 00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:05,599 start popping so he's radiating 848 00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:06,540 something that they respond 849 00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:10,350 - okay it's kind of cool and you know I 850 00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:12,510 was thinking about repeating it but 851 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:13,980 turns out that time on this microscope 852 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:16,020 super expensive and I didn't do it I got 853 00:35:19,850 --> 00:35:18,060 interested another phenomenon I have a 854 00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:19,860 good friend went to graduate school with 855 00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:21,030 him one of the world's best 856 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:23,880 neuroscientist and met Mia Tech knew 857 00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,050 what I was doing thought it was all 858 00:35:30,110 --> 00:35:27,960 garbage and I said so I need some help 859 00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,120 with analyzing these these images I 860 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:31,980 already I already run them through the 861 00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:34,170 computer the computer it said there's 862 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:37,590 25% difference between the two and I'd 863 00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:39,810 like to know what you think John his 864 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:43,500 name's John - and john spends 25 minutes 865 00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:44,910 because i start timeing it after the 866 00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:46,980 first few he goes back and forth back to 867 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,400 study again looking at he said there is 868 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:53,280 a difference I said really I said God 869 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:54,630 can you tell me what you think it is and 870 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,250 he said well I'm gonna guess this is 871 00:36:00,830 --> 00:35:59,040 about 25% brighter right on the button 872 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:00,840 agrees with the computer completely he 873 00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:04,050 said what was the treatment so he knew 874 00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,120 when me attack was so I say me attack 875 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:08,400 burkas because let me see those again to 876 00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:10,860 this day four years later he denies 877 00:36:16,580 --> 00:36:12,120 there's any difference between those two 878 00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:16,590 images this is such a threat to his 879 00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,060 worldview that I don't I believe him he 880 00:36:26,570 --> 00:36:22,560 doesn't he doesn't see the difference 881 00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,580 anymore this is why it is so important 882 00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:28,680 that we published negative and the 883 00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:33,030 positive data okay so if we've got these 884 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,630 phenomenon homeopathy bioenergy and you 885 00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:38,160 all have seen this I think bill was even 886 00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,080 talking about it you know we we got this 887 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:42,540 outcome we got this input and we have no 888 00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:47,310 idea what the mechanism is so this is a 889 00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,800 Dean's work from 2000 elsens and Dean's 890 00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:51,420 work from from 2000 those of you 891 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:54,420 familiar with it this is the the random 892 00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,130 number generator work I think this is 893 00:37:00,860 --> 00:36:59,280 our ng work yeah this is the R&G work 894 00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:00,870 and you'll notice these highly 895 00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,900 significant shift in our ng work and yet 896 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:05,820 it is still denied that people can 897 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:08,550 interact with our Ang's extreme this is 898 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:10,590 a systematic review this is extremely 899 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:13,050 good data for some reason Dean has 900 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:14,310 pointed this out it's always a curiosity 901 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:17,580 to both of us there was a huge jump in 902 00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:19,290 the 70s and then it sort of died 903 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:23,880 as did the funding nothing is so firmly 904 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:27,210 believed that which is least known when 905 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:29,310 we bring a prejudice to the to this to 906 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:30,930 the stage and we bring a Dogma to the 907 00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:33,510 stage we will defend that my colleague 908 00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:36,120 my student my friend best one of the 909 00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:38,100 best neuroscientists on the planet can 910 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:40,590 no longer see the difference in the 911 00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:45,650 images because it makes no sense to him 912 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:47,460 so what does this have to do with 913 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:49,530 biophotons I only spend a few seconds on 914 00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:52,830 this and it's not bill who is talking 915 00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:55,080 about biophotons tomorrow 916 00:38:00,680 --> 00:37:58,140 John John Kruk is going to talk about 917 00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:00,690 healing and biophotons so I don't know 918 00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:03,480 John if you're here stick with that man 919 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:05,340 there's something in biophotons 920 00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:06,570 so I've been doing a lot of work in this 921 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:08,190 I built a couple of labs written a few 922 00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:11,580 papers the labs in the Netherlands this 923 00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:14,550 is this this is natural light whoops 924 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:17,550 this is natural light and in a darkroom 925 00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:19,410 and this is 60 minutes later with a 926 00:38:26,060 --> 00:38:23,460 high-capacity CCD which shows the light 927 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:26,070 coming from the back of his neck we've 928 00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:29,250 done all kinds of experiments meditators 929 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:32,550 really wanted to serious yoga meditators 930 00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:34,230 really and I do this I don't mean to 931 00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,400 denigrate them at all I'd do the same 932 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:37,500 thing wanted to show that they had light 933 00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:39,090 radiating from them everywhere and in 934 00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:40,470 fact they're almost totally dark if 935 00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:41,910 they're really good at it and that's 936 00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,800 because the light is related to reactive 937 00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,900 oxygen species when they get a deep 938 00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,700 meditation all their inflammatory 939 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:50,000 markers go down and the light goes down 940 00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,170 so on and in the fact that that's just a 941 00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,480 result of the high energy reactions 942 00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,520 doesn't bother me at all I still think 943 00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,200 there is information in those and I 944 00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:03,660 think that's what neotec was doing 945 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:05,790 that's what's coming from his hands and 946 00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:09,060 I want somebody to do that experiment so 947 00:39:12,830 --> 00:39:10,670 we have started some of this work and 948 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:12,840 hopefully this one mark I'll be able to 949 00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,170 do but I want you to hear the sound of 950 00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:17,680 light 951 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:20,840 [Music] 952 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:24,330 so we this is recorded from the hands 953 00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:28,250 cuz it turns out we can diagnose 954 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:31,980 diabetes pre-diabetes two forms of 955 00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:34,890 arthritis whether you're asleep or awake 956 00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:36,180 without looking at you and your 957 00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:38,070 meditation state just by looking at the 958 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:39,600 differential between the light coming 959 00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:41,250 from your palms and the lights coming 960 00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:42,780 from the back your hands and the 961 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:44,040 difference between the left and the 962 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:48,090 right and all we did is capture that 963 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,170 from one of us and then bin it there's 964 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:54,240 nothing there's no manipulation here 965 00:39:59,600 --> 00:39:56,130 this has just been bending to either 966 00:40:02,330 --> 00:39:59,610 0.05 second Binns 0.25 second bins or 967 00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:02,340 five second bins that's all this is 968 00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:08,190 spontaneous ultra low frequency light 969 00:40:18,380 --> 00:40:13,590 emission nothing does anybody notice 970 00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:19,420 [Music] 971 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:27,780 thought it would be noise its music the 972 00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:32,130 heck is that about and I'm going and I'm 973 00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:35,220 being dragged off now in these are the 974 00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:36,360 lessons learned interpolation 975 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,310 interdisciplinary team specialist 976 00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:40,140 statistician skeptic social management 977 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,980 do not under sorry about that folks do 978 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,960 not underestimate this the importance of 979 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:47,520 this for doing controversial stuff 980 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:49,560 systematic literature reviews the 981 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:51,570 Institute my Institute's become experts 982 00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:52,890 in this we have something called a real 983 00:40:57,860 --> 00:40:55,070 which is rapid we have a search one 984 00:41:00,590 --> 00:40:57,870 these are the usual suspects file drawer 985 00:41:02,090 --> 00:41:00,600 nothing no reason that we shouldn't pay 986 00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:02,100 attention to that and of course the 987 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:04,020 publishing bias who wants to publish 988 00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:07,290 negative data we need to get over that 989 00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:10,260 publishing bias this is Bill Taylor's 990 00:41:19,610 --> 00:41:12,870 stuff and we were unable to replicate 991 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:19,620 Bill's work why I'm not sure but this 992 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:23,700 phenomenon is amazing and I'm now 993 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,110 participating in a group out of Santa 994 00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:26,640 Barbara that's taking a good hard close 995 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:31,340 look at this leonetti's showed the 996 00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:33,710 first in applause in 2005 where he did 997 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:36,230 statistics showing that most studies are 998 00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:39,130 unreplicated none really talk anymore 999 00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:44,620 replicable in mainstream science then 1000 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:47,620 this was done in Bayer HealthCare 1001 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:50,930 replicated two-thirds of 67 researchers 1002 00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:52,930 in the fields of oncology women's and 1003 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:56,180 they failed to replicate two-thirds of 1004 00:42:00,760 --> 00:41:57,290 them I didn't say that right but you can 1005 00:42:02,530 --> 00:42:00,770 read it faster and I can say it farmer 1006 00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:02,540 this is pharmaceutical industry these 1007 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:05,300 guys make trillions of dollars based 1008 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:07,130 upon their basic research and they can't 1009 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:10,970 replicate it the most interest are the 1010 00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:12,440 newest one that I'm aware of and there 1011 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:16,000 may be new stuff now is in nature 2012 1012 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:19,250 Amgen tried to replicate 53 studies that 1013 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:20,840 considered landmarks to the basic 1014 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:22,730 science of cancer and we're only repla 1015 00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:25,970 able to replicate six so just because 1016 00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:28,550 you're an anomalous work and you have 1017 00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:30,620 difficulty replicating it don't let 1018 00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:34,160 anybody knock you down for that this is 1019 00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:36,590 a problem that reality this is a problem 1020 00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:38,990 of science I'm not sure what that's 1021 00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:43,280 about but it is through out science this 1022 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:44,870 is not unique to our field 1023 00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:46,610 thank you very much little ladies and 1024 00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:52,820 gentlemen thank you John 1025 00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,430 quick anecdote a couple months before he 1026 00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:57,680 died Jacques and I were having lunch in 1027 00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:00,560 Paris still yelling and bitching about 1028 00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:04,190 your mom and I said to him but doesn't 1029 00:43:08,290 --> 00:43:05,780 that make it more interesting and he 1030 00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:08,300 said no I want 1031 00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:11,720 replicable simple straightforward and by 1032 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:13,430 the way I just think he was mistaken on 1033 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:15,290 the the EEM part of it 1034 00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,130 a homeopathy is is the summary evidence 1035 00:43:24,610 --> 00:43:21,920 that basically sloppy pharmacology it is 1036 00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:24,620 nano pharmacology and them in the 1037 00:43:29,350 --> 00:43:27,470 industry the pharmaceutical industry not 1038 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:29,360 through homeopathy but has realized that 1039 00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:31,490 Nano pharmacology is the future and 1040 00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:33,560 that's what Hahnemann discovered my 1041 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:36,080 accident was essentially now and finally 1042 00:43:40,510 --> 00:43:37,970 because I have the mic we have to talk 1043 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:40,520 on the side because I'm not finding a 1044 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:42,830 difference with distance but we'll talk 1045 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:46,550 yeah yes John I'm wondering if you could 1046 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:48,290 go back your early slide because I'm 1047 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:50,690 thinking with the one with the waves 1048 00:44:06,340 --> 00:43:54,170 that you pointed out or the real early 1049 00:44:08,170 --> 00:44:06,350 one no keep going just that one and I 1050 00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:08,180 think most people probably unfamiliar 1051 00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:11,270 with the the horizontal axis and just 1052 00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:12,920 how high the concentrations are oh you 1053 00:44:17,290 --> 00:44:14,300 might want to point thank you I jump 1054 00:44:21,730 --> 00:44:17,300 right through that so just this is 1055 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:21,740 called 59 C which means Sentinel so it's 1056 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:25,130 59 100-fold dilutions which translates 1057 00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,370 to 10 to the minus 120 a--the molar 1058 00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:32,240 there is statistically zero probability 1059 00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:33,740 of there being an active molecule there 1060 00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:36,110 so that would be remind if you go from 1061 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:38,630 the 10 to 10 to 12 see where the 1062 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:41,090 molecules end yeah so so all the 1063 00:44:45,010 --> 00:44:43,970 molecules are gone as you point out 1064 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:45,020 right here 1065 00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:47,450 if Avogadro is right I'm not questioning 1066 00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,800 Avogadro but and yet it appears on this 1067 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:54,800 rhythmic phenomenon going back to your 1068 00:44:58,990 --> 00:44:57,770 your allusion to early biophoton 1069 00:45:00,810 --> 00:44:59,000 research I'm wondering if you're 1070 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:00,820 familiar that 1071 00:45:06,090 --> 00:45:03,210 grrrrrr witches work was confirmed by 1072 00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:06,100 two people paid by Siemens one of whom 1073 00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:08,230 was dennis gabor who won a nobel prize 1074 00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:10,840 for a holography in 1970 I believe it 1075 00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:13,270 was yeah biophotons 1076 00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:16,900 they're gonna be the future folks it's 1077 00:45:23,970 --> 00:45:19,420 this figure I wanted to ask about I've 1078 00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:23,980 never seen possible explanations for the 1079 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:28,480 alternation yes and I don't have a good 1080 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:31,930 one for that but when we look at the 1081 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:35,290 silica that is present in that and it 1082 00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:37,030 comes from the chambers that they're 1083 00:45:44,850 --> 00:45:40,680 made from the silica seems to change its 1084 00:45:47,070 --> 00:45:44,860 configuration and apparent free solution 1085 00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:47,080 concentration with this rhythm and I 1086 00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:49,720 have no idea why that is so and that's 1087 00:45:55,050 --> 00:45:51,550 it could be an epiphenomenon it's the 1088 00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:55,060 same mystery yes there there I do not 1089 00:45:58,410 --> 00:45:57,100 claim that they're still mystery here 1090 00:45:59,700 --> 00:45:58,420 folks don't don't worry about there's a 1091 00:46:01,830 --> 00:45:59,710 lifetime's worth of work here if you 1092 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:01,840 want to go too into it just be ready for 1093 00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:03,610 the slings and arrows thank you very